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+1 My friend is also doing a trip for a few weeks to a developing country and has major food allergies. I let her know about this option and she loves the fact that she won't have to worry about, or pack food that can spoil or be difficult. jeffrey…

i have basically been using the "revised" one unsynchronized said: modified recipe http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/countdown-revised although for the last few days i replaced oat bran with rolled oats, which is not ideal. i have been trying blending…

Just wondering if you have any more updates?Which one of your countdown recipes are you using?Cheers

Actually, I think that the medical idea is a great way to subtly seed soylent to the public via paid medical testing. People volunteer/are paid to receive certain prototype treatments, and part of the regimen is a supply of soylent for them to consume,…

I thought of this early on, and I'm glad that others are bringing up the issue of which forms of vitamins and minerals are being included in Soylent. Since it is meant to be used as a dietary staple, it becomes much more important to ensure that the…

great ideas so far. Removing food as variable when medically testing is one amazing idea. Food could have effect on medicine, enough to throw some results off.

That is why I think military is completely impractical and immoral. Unfortunately, I doubt countries like North Korea care, and they are likely to use it for its advantages there. It is a possibility, but an unbelievably cruel one. Also, in the event…

My roommate and I plan on taking Soylent exclusively on a two week backpacking trip we are planning for this summer. Just another possibility to think about.

For those saying military use, have you been in the military? I can't imagine you'd be recommending Soylent if you were. One of the toughest aspects is the missing of home, family, and things that remind you that civilization is waiting back there and…

Maybe in the event of a draft or in less hospitable countries, but it isn't all that likely in a volunteer army. People can get dehumanized in situations like war very easily, and to put it simply, you don't want a guy with a gun to forget he is human.…

I did know that some of these would be kinda, okay really, farfetched. The prison one and the school one would obviously be set in a future where Soylent was common. If such a thing were to happen, it would probably be an option on the menu before ever…

I can't take credit; my cousin actually thought of this: military. A major weak point in any military operation is the supply line. Keeping the soldiers fed would be easier if their food was extremely compact and nutrient-dense.

I'm not sure you are considering the more social aspects of your ideas, so I wanted to make sure. It's one thing to opt into Soylent, another to offer it, and another thing to offer it exclusively to the point of forcing it. I realize you are talking…

My favourite potential use is the Science one you mention. I would like to see some actual nutrition research carried out. This wouldn't necessarily be with our official Soylent. I imagine it as more of science DIY where various things can be tested.…

I think having a thread for some of the possible uses for Soylent to solve issues might be, at very least, a fun exercise, and might even help Soylent expand beyond its little black and white world of either basic consumers like us, or the ambiguous and,…

Up.Any position on that?Thanks.

Hi all! Arthur from Frankfurt am Main would love to order or get Soylent anyhow from amywhere. Looking for people around to communicate about the topic and getting it done: nepasaran AT gmail, looking forward to reading from Gleichgesinnten =) Grüße!

I have tried all of the above. I live in the UK and always go back to getting my products from 'Intellimeds.co.uk' as my order usually arrives the next day after ordering. They are a pretty polite bunch, always willing to help and the more you buy the…

rob said: In this case we know the relative bioavailabilities of RRR-alpha-tocopherol and dl-alpha-tocopherol and can say with confidence that the synthetic form effectively meets the DV at the levels used. This isn't about comparing magnesium glycinate…

In this case we know the relative bioavailabilities of RRR-alpha-tocopherol and dl-alpha-tocopherol and can say with confidence that the synthetic form effectively meets the DV at the levels used. In the case of vitamins you are right, synthetic vs natural…

rob said: As an aside, assuming nature is safe and synthetic substances are dangerous is an example of the appeal to nature fallacy. This is something different. You really can't say that this an example of the appeal to nature fallacy. This is about…

I really hope that with future versions of Soylent, there is still a version of the product that has everything mixed in. The more people nitpick the various ingredients, the more the rest of us will have to pay for the product due to the increased costs…

Probably should have mentioned in that post that I had also forwarded this thread to rob.

rob said: As an aside, assuming nature is safe and synthetic substances are dangerous is an example of the appeal to nature fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature. One could argue that our bodies have evolved over thousands of years…

JulioMiles said: I can only hope that in the end, this is the biggest issue you have with Soylent. I completely agree. JulioMiles said:

The IU measurement standardized by the IOM and USDA accounts for the differing bioavailabilities of RRR-alpha-tocopherol and dl-alpha-tocopherol. DV of vitamin E is measured in IU, not mg, so even though the natural isomer RRR-alpha-tocopherol does indeed…

Really, Juliomiles? Of all the relevant Soylent questions in this thread you take the time to respond to one about graphic design? @rob how about having someone actually read and respond to what's been brought up here? I mean this isn't a new kind of…

That does help with my concerns somewhat. I'm glad you have done a lot to ensure quality of your end product.It seems you feel RFI can be trusted to find good sources of ingredients. Unfortunately too many scandals have come out of China with regards…

jrowe47 said: Now's not the time to slack off! I can only hope that in the end, this is the biggest issue you have with Soylent. jrowe47 said:

We detailed the battery of tests that RFI undertakes here: http://blog.soylent.me/post/55540041339/soylent-manufacturer-update RFI has a 30-year track record of sourcing and producing high quality ingredients, and has long-term relationships with their…

Thank you very much for the information and transparency. I understand the need for business secrets.I'm very disappointed, however, to hear that there are Chinese ingredients. Given the abysmal history of quality control, corruption, unsustainable sources…

EveB said: Often the actual source of ingredients (for all food products not just Soylent) is proprietary because of business contracts. The Soylent Team and/or RFI may give some of this out (at least to the country of origin level), but they don't…

This is the exact kind of evidence we like around here. My sincere congratulations on the effort and thanks for brining this up.

Mine itemizes the amino acids. I think this could be different from product to product, though.(g/100g)Alanine 4.1Arginine 7.6Aspartic Acid 11.6Cystine 1.3Glutamic Acid 19.6Glycine 4.1Histidine 2.7Isoleucine 4.5Leucin 7.7Lysine 6.1Methionine…

Thanks for confirming. Unless I am just blindly missing it, it is not on my label.

I get the same. My source is the label on the package.

it's not worth spilling your beans before you have given it a test

I expect they may well change it in a future version, but don't care either way myself. I have a two month supply coming, and have no intention of changing or canceling my order based on the ingredients as they stand. I haven't yet decided if I will…

I have found the amount of SAA in soy protein isolate to be at 2.6g per 100g of protein. That is from 1.3g each of methionine and cysteine. I had a hard time finding a source for the info, but finally took it from here: http://books.google.com/books?id=DfbBMgVpsugC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=Methionine+cysteine+soy+protein&source=bl&ots=wLSza2e4jr&sig=f2bdo2r9eiz__yLU0f1Pn5fxXB8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rxLrUrn_A8K2yAG42IF4&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBw…

I am so disappointed to learn that Soylent has sucralose. Unfortunate and unnecessary.

Expensive is one thing (I'll see once I have the actual price) but if I understand well it's most importantly hard to find, which is what worries me. If they could give us a provider it would be awesome. That or alternative oil options that would be readily…

Bman007 said: According to Psychology Today, only 0.8% of the population is vegan. But 3.2% are vegetarian, and around 10% follow a vegetarian diet when they can. Additionally, 2.8% of the population is allergic to fish. So that's around 12-13% of…

That is slightly concerning since my initial DIY mix had too much magnesium and the end result was not desirable. I was anxious to try Soylent, and now I am more anxious than ever for completely different reasons.

If Rosa Labs went to lengths to obtain a vegan vitamin blend - in order to accommodate a small percentage of people who are vegan.. why not accommodate those who prefer not to eat artificial sweeteners? In both cases it's a personal preference, for perhaps…

I totally agree on the D2 vs. D3, and the citations are numerous. This may be the final straw for me. It sounds like a nod to the Vegans. But it's just not the best form of Vitamin D, and D is extremely important. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/589256_4

gannas said: Didn't they say they had to reduce the amount of oat flour during the final bench sample tweak? This may have lowered the level of Magnesium, forcing them to add it separately. Yes, but magnesium oxide has a very poor bioavailability (fractional…

Didn't they say they had to reduce the amount of oat flour during the final bench sample tweak? This may have lowered the level of Magnesium, forcing them to add it separately.

I'm not happy at all that Sucralose is being added to Soylent. We were told initially that Soylent would contain everything we needed and nothing we didn't. I would much prefer to add my own sweetener to this product should I decided to do so. I would…

Kasper said: And why in earth would you use magnesium oxide? In the 12/12 micro post, Magnesium (400mg) from Oat Flour - Magnesium has also been found in all forms of life due to its crucial interactions with phosphate. Over 300 enzymes require Magnesium,…

anonynamja said: Also, B12 is missing from the ingredients list. It is indeed. Also, why in the world would they post an image of the ingredients list that was too hard to read, forcing people to download the pdf, which is a pain in the ass. Take a…

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Don't worry, it's only a laxative if you want to supplement more than 400mg. I was able to push it to 600mg by having it spread evenly throughout the day in my soylent. The low bioavailability shouldn't matter if you do that much anyway. Edit: Oxide…

crap, I orderd mag citrate without thinking this through, did I just order laxative?

i think your only option with Vegan omega 3 is algae based omega 3 containing EPA DHA. witch is kind of expensive compared to fish based omega 3

(Deleted post above is because I accidentally replied to Sintax rather than the entire topic.) Kyaaaah, 33 %. But then we're only gonna get 99 % for three meals. Scandalous! Kidding. More seriously, I want to ask, will you provide official instructions…

It probably means % of 300mg, maybe 200. Limit cholesterol intake to less than 300 mg per day, for most people. I do the same thing to keep track of fructose, cholesterol, and saturated fat. With the understanding that the goal is to keep the % low.

Also, B12 is missing from the ingredients list.

I'd say tag @JulioMiles in to this thread, and he can probably provide/obtain whatever regional info is available within public domain.

Now that is citation that works for me. Thank you very much for posting this. I'd be interested to hear what @rob and @JulioMiles thoughts are here. Obviously they won't be able to change the current production, but maybe consider it going forward. They…

In the context of the label, what does the daily value represent then?

ther is no RDA for cholesterol, your body makes it's own in the amount you need.

What does the RDA for cholesterol mean? Is it LDL or HDL or both? Is it an upper limit or a target?

I really feel like, if you are genuinely worried about it, this question would be better answered by the RFI people. They're the ones who deal with the suppliers, and I don't believe their people read these forums. Here is an email for their customer…

Humor aside, with the large number of news stories about tainted food products from china, it is a valid concern to me and it should be for you. If they really want to keep their suppliers a secret, I'd be satisfied with a statement that none of their…

Beside we already know where: Soylent is people. Version 1.0 apparently is Chinese people but I believe their nutritional value is similar to that of any human. I have heard taste may vary depending on region where they are raised.

You may be curious but certainly not entitled to know suppliers. I am sure you don't contact any of your currently prepared food bought who their suppliers are. Dear Muscle Milk (insert food manufacturer), Please provide a list of your suppliers and…

Personally, I'm not particularly concerned who their suppliers are. They're running contaminant testing (toxins, metals, biological, etc) on the individual sources, and randomly on the finished product. It'd be neat to know the suppliers, but in my…

Often the actual source of ingredients (for all food products not just Soylent) is proprietary because of business contracts. The Soylent Team and/or RFI may give some of this out (at least to the country of origin level), but they don't have to. As…

Yes they have answered a lot of questions. This is good. I have concerns, I'd like them addressed and I'm sure others would like to have this info for peace of mind.As for being entitled to answers, as customers, yes, we are. If they don't choose to give…

I think it's pretty cool that they've given us a forum to ask for things at all, personally. We aren't actually entitled to answers, although a lot of people seem to forget that. The Soylent team goes above and beyond by keeping an eye on this forum and…

I don't think a simple list of ingredient/supplier is too much to ask for.

Has that been a secret? I've seen RFI listed as their supplier a lot. Like, enough times that I just opened a random thread because I couldn't remember the exact name of the company, and found it immediately. http://www.rfiingredients.com Maybe you're…

I've gotta say, with the nutrition facts out this whole crazy thing is finally starting to seem real. I look forward to being done DIYing.

Given the constant horror stories of adulterations, tainted products, and irresponsible production practices from Chinese foodstuffs manufacturers, can we get a list of sources for each ingredient in Soylent? This article http://qz.com/171454 highlights…

I think it's to prevent mold, but I may be wrong. It might also be because of the dramatically different shelf lives of the ingredients. Flour is generally good for 6-8 months, while fish oil is only good for around 3 in optimum conditions. I wonder…

Very exciting! Small questions though, and I'm sure I've missed the answers earlier. But... Why is the oil separate? Is it just for the vegan concern? I've noticed that DIYers tend not to add the oil to their powder either. Am I missing something? Because…

there are 3 servings in the bag

So, to make Soylent you just need 33% of everything?

I would agree with this, I hope @rob or someone else can explain this value if they havn't already somewhere

I'm also curious on where the sodium went, from the blog: Sodium (1500mg) from Sodium Chloride (2100mg) It should contain 500mg per serving, instead of the 350. While most Americans over-consume salt, I think 1050 mg is pretty low.

I would like some confirmation about the fiber content. Rob had originally said that each day would have 38g of fiber (that's the government recommendation for active mails), yet the final label says that it only has 24g (8 * 3 = 24). So where did the…

I believe a full days is 2L, so something like 2/3 of a liter per serving. Although I suppose in the end its more along the lines of as much as you want.

Any idea how much water they're suggesting we mix with a serving?

Didn't think I could get MORE excited. Oh me, how wrong you were. The feeling that this update imparts is not unlike the increasing urgency you feel when you really have to pee, and the bathroom keeps getting closer and closer... Maybe not the most appetizing…

They've posted the final nutrition label... squeel throw panties on stage

It will be combined. At this point, they've said that separating out ingredients would cause extra overhead, costs, and delays for the first batch. Future batches though, it sounds like they're planning to include something like that.

At the very least, will we be able to choose not to consume the admittedly small amount of sucralose or will the product be shipped with the ingredients already combined? Logistically, it's probably far less costly to leave it combined (unless I'm mistaken,…

I didn't say that all nature-made chemicals ARE safe, I said that chemicals not found in nature probably AREN'T. No enzyme systems have evolved, nothing in the liver or kidneys has ever seen it before, and no one can say without multi-generational studies…

I'm glad that the Soylent community is passionate and dedicated enough to vet the development process to such a high degree, but I think everyone needs to a but a little bit more faith in Rob and his team.

futurevnv said: if nature didn't make it already, then I don't think our bodies will "know" how to deal with these chemicals safely Nature =! safety. Nature makes lots of things that kill us. To take a leaf from @rob's blog, "All-natural, fresh,…

I balk at any attempts to include laboratory chemicals in my food. I fear that Sucralose belongs in the category of metabolic poison, just like Aspartame. Of course, the companies that sell this stuff always claim safety, but if nature didn't make it…

I've completed a recipe which conforms to these ratios, and the spreadsheet I made keeps track of them for you. The upper limits and lower limits adjust dynamically.

Boat freight to Norway from the US for 3 month supply is about 250 USD.Takes 21 days to arrive.and a 3month supply costs 750 USD. Total 1000 USD. Which is about half of what I use on food in a normal 3 month period. And I have to add 25% VAT making it…

At this point I'm mostly worried about the economics of scale. I'm contacting Rosa Labs so see how much a container would cost, then checking what the cheapest way is of getting that container to Europe. Then it's a matter of getting things transported/sold…

I'd be interested in buying a months supply from you too (I'm in Belgium)

I did some rigorous experimentation on myself with magnesium last year. It was based on an erroneously high target for magnesium at the time. But in that process I discovered that oxide was really bad and the best form of magnesium is in one of the chelated…

It would also be a good idea to check to make sure that the bio availability isn't affected by other factors as well.

So I ran out of magnesium chloride (thankfully, too much salty non sense in my recipe already) Picked up magnesium Oxide without much thought, Now brand, it says 1/4 teaspoon (700 mg) is equal to 100% RDA (400 mg) but that isn't true at all! , apparently…

You can also get a JSON representation of the data by adding /json to the recipe URL. eg: http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/people-chow-301-tortilla-perfection/json Planning on adding CSV support before long...

You can click and drag to select the cells of any of the grids, then copy and paste that into a spreadsheet (the grids aren't apparent at first, but it's pretty handy for spreadsheet work.)