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isaackotlicky said: No actual people were harmed in the making of this soylent Hmm, yes, the DIY site ingredient database doesn't have an entry for People, and I'm not sure where to find nutritional information… isaackotlicky said: Currently waiting…

Currently waiting in the wings for a recipe (I'm just abusing this thread to keep track): Soylent Atole (mexican masa based drink) Dandelion Pesto Pizza (high in vitamin K, like spinach above) Spirulent (soylent plus blue-green algae Spirulina. Very…

vwbugg said: Not really sure where this would fit.  On your profile page here in the forum i would like to see a place to put a link to one or more of the following:-Your choice recipe on DIY.soylent (either your own, the one you use, or more than…

Yesterday I was in various stages of sugar crash throughout most of the day. Today I'm trying to pace out my consumption more - if I drink more than half a meal (a sixth of a day) at once, I'll generally feel overly full and get a sugar crash.

Thanks. OK @rob and @JulioMiles please take a look. I received a quote from an accredited lab for $300 for free glutamate testing using AOAC 95HPLC. Please submit the product for this testing and publish the result. This will give one more data…

Though I'm not in control of the diy.soylent.me site, you're more than welcome to take charge on the subreddit wiki. Throw me a PM and I'll set you up with editor access.

Hey guys. Awesome thread, wished I had known about it while struggling to find proper sources for all these stupid ratios websites kept saying were important without providing numbers. At any rate, a few thoughts: The wiki at DIY soylent might be the…

While they do read these forums if you use an @ symbol before their name it will tag them and they will come and look at this thread. Like @rob Suddenstop said: Rob and Soylent team. I received a quote from an accredited lab for $300 for free…

B..B...But it's not GLUTEN FREE! That's a neat idea. If/when I start into DIY soylent, I'll have to take a look at this.

granted. The major concern is upfront costs and storing ~150-200 lbs. of various proteins and flours to take advantage of the economies of scale.

isaackotlicky said: If someone was interested in taking on the blending and reselling, this could open the door to a lot more people finding soylent an affordable generic food choice. It's called DIY soylent for a reason.. so if you want to blend proteins…

So this person is making how much money per pound? Don't forget about the need to recoup startup costs, which adds to the price per pound on the backend, so whatever this person sells it for will need to include not only the cost per pound of each protein…

Yes I was thinking of sending it out for testing myself once I got it. I'll chip in $100. I would rather see Rob and Soylent lead and support that effort. But I would be glad to send them cash to perform the testing. If that doesn't happen if we…

Or we could get a collection going... $2 toward testing, anyone?

Are you offering to pay for this? Eve

Protein is and will continue to be the most expensive component of any basic soylent recipe. I've been doing some research and would like to present a little question: Whey protein (concentrate or isolate) is generally accepted as the most common and…

Awesome man, can't wait to hear what you have to report on this. It might be EASIER for you since you're using less masa. I think that if you tried to make atole from 345g of masa (the amount in a regular day of people chow) you'd have WAYYYYYY more…

Ooo! I've been looking at alternatives, and masa is pretty cheap.But I tend to go lower carb than most masa based recipes. That said, no reason not to try it at least for a week.Buy a kilo of masa, experiment cooking it with the protein and then blending…

2 things I'd throw into this conversation - even though a lot of it is old: I got a 50 lb bag of masa at Cash & Carry for 25 bucks in Seattle, WA. Masa at all the local grocery stores in 4.4lb bags averages $4.50. (Groceries tend to be very expensive…

I ran out of oats last night, went for a blend of my remaining oat and coconut. Made six days worth at a ratio of 1:3. First batch was today - cinnamon pineapplesauce cake. Tasty!

Rob and Soylent team. I received a quote from an accredited lab for $300 for free glutamate testing using AOAC 95HPLC. Please submit the product for this testing and publish the result. This will give one more data point and another item to tweak.…

vwbugg said: Do you also feel that things such as labeling peanuts tree nuts shellfish wheat and soy are also a waste of time? Those things can and DO kill people. Everything about glutamate that I have read has been conjecture and innuendo. vwbugg…

Wanted to come back and add this. Just 10 Mega Corporatiuons sell almost everything we eat (at least in America, but all over the world too i am sure) That is a very big lobby against anything, plus i bet i can guess it would be these 10 corporations…

I am a believer that data is always good, and that it would be simple and cheap to test for: http://www.abcam.com/glutamate-assay-kit-ab83389.html I am not arguing that glutamate is good or bad, only that it should be clearly labeled. Note that there…

Do you also feel that things such as labeling peanuts tree nuts shellfish wheat and soy are also a waste of time? Things affect people different and everyone should be provided information so they are free to make their own desicion, The Nutrition Facts…

Seems like an unnecessary waste of time.

The petition does not ask to regulate or demonize. Simply provide information. Whether you think glutamate is good for you or bad for you is not the question. It is whether food companies can not include it on the labels - which they currently do.…

I will not comment right now on glutamate. But i did come here to leave numbers i found on wikipedia talking about free glutamate in food. There was a table on this page that showed free- glutamate and protein glutamate in common foods. I selected ones…

Suddenstop said: Sign the petition to have free glutamate content listed on foods. http://wh.gov/lpPKF Nope, no evidence I have seen has shown me we should waste more money on regulation. Why demonize something when there is no proof that is does…

After several days of testing, I've promoted the 25/25/50 blend to be the official Ax Chow 1.1! I definitely like the flavor improvement with the oat flour. I'll be having nothing but Ax Chow 1.1 for the coming week - my fridge is empty of muggle food…

Something to add to our ratios; Protein : Calcium?

Basically, if you know what's gone in, analyzing what came out tells you what stayed behind.

Some of you seem to advocate analyzing poop. I'm not sure I understand this, since, first, it doesn't tell you what's going on in your cells or plasma (could be building up or dropping), and secondly, absorption is apparently usually not tied to the body's…

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What about noopept? what does that interact with?

However, for things like Alpha GPC and CDP choline, you will only need around 250 – 300mg per day compared with far more of the piracetam. Therefore, the piracetam choline ratio is going to be determined by the quality of the choline supplement that you…

AHEM. I believe the phrase is "git er done."That's why I wouldn't start off including anything in my base mix. I'll try spiking my soylent first to see if it affects the taste in that small a dose before I do anything else.

I think in general, we should not overstretch our ambitions. I take noopept regularly. It tastes so bitter that I would keep it far away from everything that i would like to have a good or pleasant taste and therefore put effort in it (i.e. baking). The…

Piracetam tastes HORRIBLE. Even putting it in capsules, the little bit of powder that sticks on the outside leaves a bad aftertaste.

isaackotlicky said: Then I'd have to worry about the bitter taste that seems to accompany many nootropics. And also figure out a way to make the frosting while staying within my caloric ceiling. Maybe a bunch of stevia or sucralose added to something…

Then I'd have to worry about the bitter taste that seems to accompany many nootropics. And also figure out a way to make the frosting while staying within my caloric ceiling.

You could always make a generic soylent cookie with some "smart cookie" icing

I'm actually looking into this seriously - baking noopept into my soylent. Anyone have any info or research on heat sensitivity for the various nootropics? I'm guessing/hoping that dilution of the compounds in the bulk of soylent will buffer it against…

Well, it seems to me, that a biscuit would be the ideal delivery mechanism for your payload of mental stimulants. Then you could say you just ate a "smart cookie"

I DIY capsules (bought 00 size and little plastic capsule filler from amazon). I haven't tried to mix Piracetam with water and drink. 4.8G sublingual is pretty tough, since it would be a mouth full of powder. Since I make 500 kcal (125 g) of soylent…

Good question, can you simply blend those capsules into your soylent or should you rather just swallow them? I ordered some Piracetam of the link you shared, it comes as a powder, I don't have empty capsules to fill, can I just mix it with water and…

Curious about this: anyone making a nootropic soylent with sources? I'd love to see about getting some for my stash.

I believe, from earlier readings, you can build a tolerance to caffeine at high dosages, much like drinking excessive cups of coffee. However at 200 mg coffee (about 2 cups of coffee) is a modest amount but the L-Theanine as I understand it is synergistic…

If the GPC is in capsules, do you still need to throw them in the freezer? Just wonder how it fills to swallow a frozen capsule ..

Not really sure where this would fit. On your profile page here in the forum i would like to see a place to put a link to one or more of the following:-Your choice recipe on DIY.soylent (either your own, the one you use, or more than one recipe, max…

I have L-Theanine ordered and on the way but I'm a little skeptical to swallow caffeine, dunno why, maybe because it is supposed to be addictive? Does your body get used to it and you have to up the dose? What about just drinking some coffee? Right now…

I have just started Piracetam last week at a daily total of 4.8G and had no effect. After reading more, I intend to take 4.8G per dosage, twice a day for a total of 9.6G daily. My 00 capsules hold 600 mg which means (once I make more) I will have to…

Thanks for the intense information gathering!! I had the feeling in my local GNC store Sport and MMN were 49 and 39 respectively and both came down 8 or 9 after membership .. I wonder should Taurine be part of daily nutrition? Maybe the amount is negligible…

Thanks! Did you feel an effect from Piracetam? If so, what does it feel like? How much do you take? Do you take any other nootropics?

I ordered both Alpha-GPC and Piracetam from NootropicsDepot.com based on feedback from reddit community. http://nootropicsdepot.com/My costs:Alpha-GPC Powder >99% (Sizes: 250g (8.8oz)) 62370-250B $169.99 USDPiracetam Cognitive Powder (Sizes: 1000g (35.3oz))…

Still analyzing the difference when plugged in to the recipe. I made a People Chow with the MMN as a test. Seems that with the Mega Men Nutrition the cal/mag with D supplement would no longer be needed. saving 26 cents a day or $8/ month. You could however…

Okay, i spent way more time trying to figure this out than i needed too. First the price. If you ahve the membership they are the same price. ($39.99) Recently they had a buy one get one 50% off mix and match sale. Was the Nutrition part of it? The…

I see a low of recipes with GNC Mega Men Sport, the similar product Mega Men Nutrition is basically exactly the same thing (a few minerals have slightly different %) and is $10 cheaper ... The Sport has a max bigger container but is only 60gram more ...…

Okay i finished my recipe, it looks complete and IBS safe to my eyes. No idea how it tastes or feels in the mouth though. The next step would be to find a way to get more a more realistic ingredients, nobody is going to measure off 0.001 grams of something.…

Hi saburq, I had been working on a recipe of my own because i could not edit yours, it is still a wip, you can find it here: http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/ibs-friendly-soylent My feedback on your recipe would be: Coconut milk is not an IBS safe ingredient…

Hmmm, well I'll be curious to see how much of a difference the oat flour makes once it arrives! So far I'm feeling a lot less (can barely notice anything) of a post-lunch energy dip than before, so... progress! This is with the 20/30/50 ratio. However,…

Thanks, all! Nope, @Smaug, I haven't done any experiments per se, so I don't have a hard control against which to evaluate this phenomenon, just the (very clear) anecdotal data that I never remembered (or felt "participatory" in) my dreams in the past,…

Yes 28 grams of oat flour only has a GI of 11 while 114 g of Masa has 51. Hmmm 28 g vs 114 g, cant really compare that fairly. When compareing two things be sure and adjust amounts, this site has an amount adjustment above the nutrition facts.So a real…

So I have updated the recipe with the macros. Still need to add the amounts. Can you have quick look. For vitamins I have added these pills but I am not sure if they are IBS friendly. What do you think? If not I can add your suggested zink and mg.

Thanks for the ideas. I will update the recipe. Do you know if there is a way to allow other users to edit a recipe?

No idea if its related, but quiting smoking caused me incredibly lucid dreams for several months. It was fun! You could look at the mechanisms behind that and see if there is are any patterns/similarities(?) I haven't noticed any dreaming effects myself…

In this update:* Rice protein shipment delay pushes back first shipping date to mid-April * Alternate protein sources for future formulas* SXSW coverageThis weekend we were in Austin for SXSW, where Rob moderated an awesome panel on Sunday (The Future…

You could be getting more choline than you had been in your previous diet, and that could conceivably contribute to your dreaming pattern. You might be able to verify this by removing it from your soylent, and/or supplementing choline in conjunction…

AngerBoy said: Why could this be happening? Are there ingredients in [my recipe][1] that are behind this phenomenon, and could I isolate them to continue having lucid dreams even when I'm not subsisting on Soylent? I've not particularly noticed any…

Hmmm... found these tips here that may suggest some contributing factors. They don't source their info, so I don't know how reliable it is, but they seem to be in line with the few sites I read. People who sleep less than six hours have a hard time…

Interesting, wish I could help, but I hope you find a reproducible cause. I have rarely recalled my own dreams, and would like to have the ability.

Maybe a strange question:I've been on my Soylent diet for about a week and a half so far, and I have noticed that for the first time in a very long time, the dreams I have been having at night are much more lucid and vivid. I generally am not able to…

Me too, I was the one talking to them about it.

I expect they will go kosher, if not in the initial run, shortly after. I have seen them mention getting the seal of approval.

Interesting. I'm getting a bit excited for the official soylent, even though I'm not a backer. If they get kosher supervision, I'll definitely start experimenting with it!

QuidNYC said: Nowhere is it saying that chewing (or lack of chewing) itself is leading to divergent health outcomes, except insofar as it may influence food selection. Those concerned with chewing can start chewing gum - seems like a not terrible idea.…

In regards to your thyroid, I would be very mindful of that, and watch it closely. Low carbohydrate diets are now known to possibly affect thyroid negatively. And that is an indicator of other, more serious issues that could lead to autoimmune problems…

I did some googling and found that we should probably start the recipe like this: gluten free Whole grain oat powder as the carb sourceHemp seed proteine as a fodmap free complete proteine source (maybe we could even use the whole seed, as its fodmap…

I think this is a good idea, it really does not matter which ingredients you use as long as you end up within the safe limits outlined in my previous post and choose chelated minerals and vitamin c in the form of calcium ascorbate. http://www.mineralsinc.com/WriteUp/CalciumAscorbate_w.htm

I saw the ref to Leptin on one of the intro pages and found it here via your search function. Been looking for further info on Leptin since about 1995, when a big university (forget who) announced it's discovery as something lacking in patented lab rats…

I started a recipe for Low FODMAP Soylent. Over the next few weeks I will try to search for a complete list of ingredients that are low in FODMAPs. I would love some help in doing the search for these. Please talke a look at what I have started with a…

Back when I started, I researched Soy protein isolate, and found that the health concerns didn't actually show up in any review studies. The page you're linking is one whose claims I cannot take seriously, due to lack of scientific rigor. Have a look…

I see Soy protein in the box there, I've seen lots of articles saying that it's unhealthy for various reasons, you may wish to switch to whey or pea etc. They may be wrong, who knows? I'd rather go with the more proven route. http://www.wellnesstoday.com/nutrition/is-soy-protein-isolate-bad-for-you…

QuidNYC said: Not that I have anything against chewing per se, but I think the conclusion you're drawing here doesn't necessarily follow from the study you've linked to. Yeah, I was looking over it myself, and you're right that it doesn't follow per…

Mqrius said: I chew. Chewing is really important for long term mortality risk reduction. [Halfway down, under "Floss", they link to the relevant paper] Not that I have anything against chewing per se, but I think the conclusion you're drawing here…

I believe, based on other posted that adding sulfur was a mis-interpretation of rob's original post. It is not needed in a recipe see: http://discourse.soylent.me/t/sulfur-in-cysteine-and-methionine/10626/9 And above all, how is the taste and texture?

Cinnamon was a non-essential, but I'm tossing that out. There's the CoQ10 supplement. Note that potato chips in my recipe is actually essential. It's the only source of salt, for instance. In the new recipe, I have a bunch more non-essentials. See my…

Very interesting, I'll be curious to know the further results of your testing, and to check back after a few more months. I would definitely add probiotics, as numerous papers have suggested that the immune system is rooted in the gut. Personally, I…

Nope, it is not. I have always used my own Google docs, since it gives me much more flexibility; I can add the ratios, notes, shuffle things around, etc. I've never found diy.soylent.me to give a good overview, but I think that's actually because I'm…

is your recipe in diy.soylent.me ? I can't find it.

Ah, forgot to link to my new recipe. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aginfn56EnJmdGtwOUt5NGZzQmxfb2NKLUpGNEcydEE&usp=sharing You'll find supplements aimed at mental performance (spirulina, blueberry extract, phosphatidyl serine, noopept,…

Glad you're dropping down to 5g/day. I thought you might be sticking with 18g/day long-term and was concerned.

isaackotlicky said: I read the link. It's a scare site, and while the writing and hypothesis is interesting, there isn't a single real study about the inclusion or disclusion of manganese or chromium. The links aren't really obvious, but they're there.…

Mqrius said: I'll try to find a multivitamin without chromium and manganese, since they were shown to be poisonous, I read the link. It's a scare site, and while the writing and hypothesis is interesting, there isn't a single real study about the inclusion…

Very nice writeup, thanks for sharing. Interested to see what further labs come back with. Beware with the creatine, it can stress your kidneys with prolonged high dosages. And as always, I Am Not A Doctor.

Hello everyone, I've been on DIY Soylent for 5 months now, and just got most of my blood results. I'll share them here, along with some commentary. The good news is, they're interesting, so we'll have something to talk about For most of those 5 months,…

I'd rather skip breakfast if I can. When I eat breakfast, I usually eat a much bigger lunch and bigger dinner. I believe the increase in metabolism is not enough to make up for the extra calories eaten. If you want to increase your metabolism, then…

Actually, I've never heard that. I've always heard that eating breakfast jumpstarts your metabolism. So it should make you feel hungrier throughout the day, but the point is supposed to be that your body will also use more of the calories you eat.

Rob gave a presentation on Wednesday and mentioned that v1.0 is heat stable and can be baked/cooked, he also mentioned several things he has seen made using it as a base. This is a long video, the Soylent presentation begins at about the the 1:11:30 mark.

I was just planning on getting some green food coloring to put into my liquid Soylent. My classmates are going to give me so much shit next quarter.