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First, thank you so much for your patience and continued support of Soylent as we spend all of our time making sure that Soylent is healthy, convenient and delicious.  At the time of our last update, RFI had placed orders for most of the ingredients required…

Awesome source. I am becoming increasingly doubtful of the holistic MSM "detox" stuff.

Good info. Thanks Stoinov!

another link from IOM that under the Adequate Intake for Inorganic Sulfate list organic sulfates as a source and explicitly lists Methionine and Cysteine. So go ahead and just look up your protein sources for the content of these two amino acids

I suppose I would favor dropping the "Sulfur" entry entirely, then, on the assumption that adequate protein intake will cover the SAA requirement. But failing that, I think re-labeling it would still be preferable to just leaving "Sulfur" as-is. If…

Yes, I understand your suggestion, people are confused about what they need. But by that logic shouldn't we just remove sulfur entirely and replace it with all of the essential amino acids? If the problem is confusion about what's important, then stressing…

Sintax -- understood and agreed, but what I'm suggesting is that the "Sulfur" field in the nutritional profile should be re-labeled as "Sulfur-containing Amino Acids" or "SAA" precisely to avoid this sort of confusion. There is no dietary requirement…

I use the requirements listed here for each of my amino acids. It adds up to 15 mg/kg for the C+M total. I'm not sure how valuable creating a separate SAA requirement would be since all of the amino acids listed are essential anyway. I think we should…

Hola yo soy de Argentina, me encantaria probar soylent, pero creo que falta mucho para que llegue aca y no dispongo de tiempo o dinero para ir reuniendo los ingredientes por separado, voy a investigar lo del RFA. Mi idea, para cuando pueda comprarlo…

Excellent post, as always. If you haven't seen it already:http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/36691-ten-months-of-research-condensed-a-total-newbies-guide-to-nootropics/ Warning, anecdotal experience ahead: Piracetam's effects will be minimal, as…

Thanks for the info Quid, it's weird how little information there seems to be on something that seems relatively important. I think your method of looking at the 13-15mg/kg body weight makes a lot more sense than the alternatives.

Agreed -- but for those who have already calculated a value for "Sulfur" to plug into the nutritional profile using the SAA content of their ingredients, applying the mass ratios calculated by Sintax above would be inappropriate. In my case, if I were…

ruipacheco said: Erm... no. nononono. Triple no. With LSD you can watch many things, none of them your real self. Ah, sorry - my fault - I'm British, and so sarcasm is assumed unless indicated otherwise. Pretend I put sarcasm tags around my previous…

Erm... no. nononono. Triple no. With LSD you can watch many things, none of them your real self.

ruipacheco said: That's the problem with the mind - who watches the watchers? That's why you take the nootropics - to give you the capacity to watch yourself. I'm told LSD has a similar effect. ruipacheco said:

WAIT. I can't shop in my undies?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!

That's the problem with the mind - who watches the watchers? If you sprain your ankle your mind says "ouch". If you sprain your mind, the police takes you in because you think it's perfectly reasonable to go shopping in your undies only.

As to breaking my mind, well... no guarantees, but I'm still not worried. I'm pretty self aware. Maybe I'll take up meditation or something to keep balanced.

jrowe47 said: Not at all. Nothing I'm doing is physically strenuous and I enjoy my work intensely. I get 2 day weekends for downtime. I'm making the best of every minute I think ruipacheco means "breaking your mind", not your body or I might have…

ruipacheco said: Are you not scared of something breaking without you receiving a warning first? Not at all. Nothing I'm doing is physically strenuous and I enjoy my work intensely. I get 2 day weekends for downtime. I'm making the best of every minute…

jrowe47 said: I'm on book 4, and the series is great. I've also been reviewing my code, working on my cheap diy recipe, and pulling 12 hour days at work. I'm not feeling stressed at all - I feel 100% with everything I'm doing. Are you not scared of…

Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to post. I had started using piracetam and wasn't getting any results, so I paired it with Citicoline. It made me feel spacy and unfocused; worse, it seemed to bring on mild nausea. By itself, I don't notice…

I'm 9 days in. So far so good - the piracetam is starting to kick in, but it will be a couple or 5 days before it's in full swing. I'm normally a voracious reader, and I was given a set of books for Christmas, the Iron Druid chronicles. I'm on book 4,…

I'm still enjoying a certain fluidity of thought, and multitasking like a madman. Multitasking like that is, however, not unusual for me. I think there was probably a degree of placebo on the second night. I didn't like sulbutiamine very much - it had…

ruipacheco said: We still don't know the long term effect these things have on the brain. I'm terrified of trying them only to wake up one day at 55 and find out my brain turned into Swiss cheese. I don't know about you, but I like my computational…

We still don't know the long term effect these things have on the brain. I'm terrified of trying them only to wake up one day at 55 and find out my brain turned into Swiss cheese.

Gwern is well worth reading on nootropics, as he is on all things.

I slept 6 hours last night (this afternoon), unintentionally, and woke up feeling rested. This is day 3, and I've removed sulbutiamine, and I have no tension around the temples (it felt like an impending headache... not quite there.) I'm still feeling…

I would be interested in knowing the long term and short term effects, and what the chances, if any, are of starting to develop a resistance to any of the nootropics you are taking. I don't think choline is one you can develop a resistance too, but I…

I've just started a new stack of nootropics, based on experimentation and research I've done over the last year or so. Phenylpiracetam, piracetam, sulbutiamine, caffiene, theanine, adrafinil, and choline (in the form of citicoline.) None of the above…

It's not sugar that you need to be concerned about, but the effective GI. You could subsist on simple sugars as your sole carbohydrate source if you timed the uptake. It'd be annoying as hell, sure, but the point of limiting sugar is to limit the effective…

Unfortunately that would be 120 grams of sugar a day; that's 3 times the recommended daily. Not to mention al the other DVs that would be unbalanced. This page lists all the nutrition info for Ensure Complete.

ruipacheco said: Why not wait for the real Soylent? Because I am impatient! ruipacheco said:

Thanks for the head's up on Kate Komplete. It's $4.29 per meal, and each meal only contains 310 calories. It's no Soylent but I like what they're going for. I still haven't seen another product that does what Soylent is attempting to do. Looking forward…

I found Kate Komplete (katefarms.com) which sells a gluten free, diary/soy free, NON-GMO vegan drink that is:310 calories per can8 gm fat from sunflower oil44g carbs (19 sugars) from brown rice syrup, and agave17g protein from rice and pea proteinbunch…

Why not wait for the real Soylent?

http://ensure.com/products/ensure-complete-shakes - 6 of these per day gets you most of your RDA and 2100 calories. Adjusting downwards with a mix of flavors can get you 100% of your potassium, and the rest can be supplemented. Magnesium RDA is generally…

Matt88 said: Maybe ignore proper convention or have a special case where you add '(DIY)' after it?ex:Soylent (DIY) ... || soylent ... My own head-convention was to say "DIY soylent" explicitly at the start of a sentence. Example sentence follows.…

It also looks like Jevity isn't really meant to be tasted. What would be closest to Soylent if nothing can actually compete with it?

There are not. There are a few medical food replacements that are sort of similar (Jevity, etc), but cost approximately all of your money (and still aren't quite the same).

I like DIYSoylent but honestly I don't have the time to fully devote to it. Are there any commercial alternatives to Soylent that I can try out while waiting for Soylent to ship? I am looking more for a full meal replacement and not just one of those…

Except this is the soylent discourse aite founded and perused by all the do it yourselfers who didnt want to wait...a year? We'll see. We do a pretty good job of answering questions when they come up

Maybe ignore proper convention or have a special case where you add '(DIY)' after it?ex:Soylent (DIY) ... || soylent ...

Cool, thanks for clearing that up everyone, for some reason I didn't pick up on this!

Yep, as other folks have pointed out... Capital S is the official product and lowercase s is the DIY version. Agree it can be confusing, especially in the case of soylent being the first word in a sentence and a lack of conformity from supporters. Is…

Yup, it's convention to capitalize the official product, Soylent. DIY is soylent, with a small s.

Usually, soylent is the DIY and Soylent is Rob's product. And Muggle meal is the name for (S|s)oylent free meal.

There are many threads here which discuss various DIY Soylent recipes yet almost every time it's simply being called "Soylent". It won't be long before the official Soylent will be circulating and this will obviously cause some confusion. One recent…

ruipacheco said: [...] Subscription optionInteresting. How would this make it cheaper? I think the general accepted market wisdom is that subscription options can often be offered at a discount, because they represent a more guaranteed/stable income…

cvrobison said: I noticed that you guys mentioned that there would be no waste when taking soylent. does this mean that there are no waste products so there is no stool at all? I refer you to the gum thread. cvrobison said: so I thought that i'd…

Hi all,a bunch of hackers (www.hasi.it) and I will be soylent-experimenting in Siegen, Northrhine-Westphalia. Sofar, I get most of our stuff from myprotein.com, because it is much cheaper than buying it from Fitnessshops.

I made this up today:http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/coconut-oatsI have lots of WPI and coconut oil already so I'm really just waiting for potassium in the mail..I normally do low carb... but I can't really imagine drinking such large amounts of oil so…

There are actually techniques to do what you are talking about, meta-analysis. Although I like Bayesian statistics a failure to use them does not reflect a 'scientific flaw'. It is true that nutrition studies are hard to do (even) under ideal circumstances,…

I'm pretty sure there will be a interest. Maybe not a mass market at first but there is def. lots of ppl watching Soylent from Sweden and if you imported it and sold it would make the process easier for us in sweden that wants to try it out.

Thanks for the clarification. I took some time to think through why i came to my conclusion and i will explain it below. I basically did a meta study, judging the quality of each study done and then distilling average conclusions., i will do this again…

Hey ... ive created my own Vegan Soylent mix. And purchased the majority of the goods from bulknutrients and iherb ... and the rest ive picked up from Coles / Woolworths. http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/vegan-mix-higher-protein-carbs-cals Thats the recipe…

Tetsuo said: This is what i see when i read them "Taking a calcium supplement on top of your (western) diet will push you over the limit of 1200mg a day and will have a negative effect on your health" No worries. That is what this boards are for.…

I would be interested in retailing Soylent in Australia online. This may not be a solution for those wishing to DIY a recipe, but it would increase convenience for the general public. Would shorter local shipping times and local customer service be an…

Thank you for your time. It just seems that the less solid foods I ingest seem to help, the easier it is for the pancreas, so i'm assuming a liquid supplement would help.Thx G. Calderon

Tetsuo said: before we can look at the role of soylent in pain management. I say we do nothing about diagnosing diseases, as we're thoroughly unqualified for that. Tetsuo said:

Hi Billy916, From my limited research online i conclude that pancreatitis is a symptom casued by disease or alcohol abuse. You should ask about the real cause of the pancreatitis before we can look at the role of soylent in pain management. The one…

Talk to your doctor.

For a person who worries about every bite that he takes ovr pain, could this be a subsitute in staying healthy with less pain?

grantadevine said: And why would you deserve an apology? Thats what I would like to know. I actually pledged 1 month worth at the beginning and I don't feel like I deserve an apology but some yahoo who hasn't paid one red cent does? Amusing......…

There's actually a lot of official information about the delay and the exceeded funding means that there was a great deal more work that needed doing to source ingredients.The current schedule means that the first preorders should be arriving at the start…

I'm planning to buy a month's supply -- but not until I hear that Soylent is finally being shipped. I can't tell from the posts exactly what the holdup is, but I would rather not be in the position of giving someone a few hundred dollars of my hard-earned…

jrowe47 said: It might work out well with oat powder, but when you're in a situation with oils absorbed into powder like that, the exposed surface area of the oil is exponentially higher than sitting in a container, and so oxidization happens faster.…

I moved 15 posts to a new topic: Alternative to Soylent already exists?

It might work out well with oat powder, but when you're in a situation with oils absorbed into powder like that, the exposed surface area of the oil is exponentially higher than sitting in a container, and so oxidization happens faster. Keeping it chilled…

I think Myarter has it right. You still may need to worry about oxidation issues with the oil. There also is the high bioavailablity of the sugars in maltodextrin to be worried about. However, in theory there is no reason why this couldn't work.

Just tried some coconut oil with Now foods carbo gain (corn maltodextrin). It's kind of good/interesting by itself. Seems to mix in well with the rest of the powders in my recipe.

Bump No news on this topic?we could use maltodextrin and olive oil to make powder. seal it in vacuum packed bags for storage.it elves out the o2 problems, right?

Thanks, Tal. It would be interesting to experiment with high-carb/low-carb. I would probably opt for high-protein every day!Thanks,Shaun

Hi Shaun! Glad you find it useful! I have my Soylent split into lunch and dinner. One when I break my fast at 12:30pm and another in the evening. For my training days I simply have the extra calories in the form of more whey protein in my recipe,…

This is fantastic, Rotbart - thanks for putting the effort in. I'm also a programmer, living in Australia, and keen to try Soylent. I'm into weights and have some experience with leangains, and might start doing it again with this. The main problem I've…

Almost funny. Story of my life.

Uhm. Almost funny. A for effort though. lol

Funny, I've heard yo' momma say the same thing.OH SNAP.

I love the meat of every animal I have ever tried. lol

jahhluv101 said: Damn, after reading this you make me want to go eat a great big pound burger of bloody rare black angus. Im sure that cow will thank you. MMM MMM GOOD!!! That wasn't in the best of taste… even if the cow is the best of taste. (I couldn't…

I'm going to go ahead and posit that the silent maj-- er, ah I mean, the Soylent majority! here agrees in general that Soylent == good, and VeganSoylent* >= Soylent *that is, VeganSoylent as it's own concept, compared to NotVeganSoylent, and not factoring…

uberjer said: Your answers to the question do not make sense. Can you clarify? You did pretty much say Soylent would be "McShit" if it were not vegan. Can you clarify what didn't make sense for you? Yes, I would think less of the product if it were…

itistoday said: uberjer said:Would I be incorrect in assuming that your comment implies that if the initial version were not vegan, you'd think less of the product and the people who are running the company? Yes and no. No: I have lots of very close…

hi, I live in Sweden and want to try Soylent. Does anyone know when it will be possible to buy it in Sweden? Cheers

Hi Martin are you still doing this? i'm from the UK and would be very interest if i could see your recipe first? Let me know if you are. cheers

I just use oat flour and cocoa powder for carbs and fat which naturally contains quite a lot of phosphorus. Enough for the RDI. I just use Potassium Citrate for the potassium source, which is another one that can be a pain to source in some countries.

They'll be shipping Soylent to the EU in spring 2014. I'm living in Poland, and had no problem placing my order

According to this website, cgp has a chemical formula of C7H16N3O7P, with a molecular weight of 285.191601. Phosphorous' atomic weight is 30.973761998. That would mean that cgp is approximately 10.86% phosphorous by weight.

I'm having trouble working out how much phos is in cgp though. have you worked it out by any chance?

Hi guys, i've only just recently heard about soylent and think that it's a magnificent idea to at least give an attempt at. I understand that it won't have any international shipment until mid 2014, and was looking at throwing around some ideas in relation…

Hi everyone, I've seen on the soylent page they don't send in Europe and I've no time to try to prepare something like that. I would like to know if anybody has ever received soylent in US (i saw expeditions begin from early 2014) or it's "house" Soylent…

@cazaculucian, try to get in contact with @create. They have (or at least, had) soylent and are willing to send it to europe. maybe they could help you out. Although I recommend you try it yourself. Visit the wiki section of diy.soylent.me. It's short…

Begging for some here in Romania, PM me with details please!!!

Yes, it certainly will. Thanks for your interest!

Hey, I'm hoping this receives the attention of the Soylent staff. I wish to make an order when Soylent becomes available internationally, and would like to receive an email update when this is possible. I have added myself to the mailing list. Will it…

I saw the original recipe, 300 grams of protein is overkill. Studies have not found an advantage of going over 0.83g per pound of bodyweight. This is over many studies using atheletes, bodybuilders etc. That much protein is going to create ammonia toxicity…

This is my 5th month on my recipe. I've been making tweaks to it pretty much the whole time, but I am pretty happy with it now. The first month I dropped about 6% body fat, and lost no weight. I have pretty much stabalized on my weight and energy levels.…

@HarveyDesu had a recipe here that he was using for working out and gaining weight. Not sure what happened to it after a while. (edited to remove n00b mistake. )

You could always just add some extra protein powder in with your soylent.

I too received a similar official response, and I have since taken up my own DIY formula. You can check it out here I'm finishing my first week of mostly soylent fueled training, and I feel fantastic. I'm following a strength training regime, and my…