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See how you feel after one meal. I jumped right into 2/3 meal replacement. I've only done full replacement sporadically here and there. Some people might end up with an adjustment period, but only for the fiber, I think. I imagine the most you'd need…

I jumped all in for about a week, got the headaches and it went away in a few days. I think the smarter approach would have been replace breakfast a few days, then replace breakfast and lunch, then go all in (if you want).

Folks who go all in can get headaches at day 3 or so, usually getting used to changes in vitamin levels - potassium / sulfer etc. I tend to think easing in is better for anything.

Yeah I guess I don't see any downside to take a week or two to ease into 3 meals a day of Soylent.

I replaced my breakfast and lunch with DIY, and as my stomach shrunk I slowly replaced my dinners with it also over a period of about 2 weeks.

I started my DIY recipe a month ago, and I went all in from the beginning. All in being about 90% soylent, which is all I intend to do on a regular basis as I expect to be eating out socially 1-3 times a week. I also expect there will be periods of…

I was also wondering this.

So, I am wondering if there's any consensus from those who have tried Soylent or a DIY version.... Is it recommended to ease into it by starting out drinking one a day for a bit, then two a day and so on? -J

If this thread is correct, a day's worth of Soylent is about 1 pound (500 grams). So I can see it being feasible for wilderness treks if you were able to get your water on site. With items like Lifestraw or Katadyn filters that could be quite easy (the…

buy rolled oats. and put them in the blender to make cheap oat flour. Here in Sweden you can buy 1,5Kg of oats for 1$ or 1.5$/kg at a local ICA Super market And that is including a 20%taxation in the store i think you can find cheaper in the states

hey there, we're from germany too. Just tried soylent for two weeks. If you're still into soylent and from karlsruhe - contact me!btw besides of myprotein, bulkpowders.com is a great source!

Where are you buying oat flour that's cheaper than masa? Masa at grocery stores is no more than $3 for 2 kg / 4.4 lb. That's about 4 cents per ounce. (Walmart has a brand that's about 3 cents per ounce but I haven't tried it yet.) Ordering online…

larry_lynch71 said: weight as well as increasing the number of meals one can carry on a hike you still need to carry 2 to 3 litres of water per day (or carry some means of boiling stream water).unless of course you are hiking somewhere that there is…

Outside of the benefits that come from obtaining nutrition via liquids versus solids, it is the reduction in backpack weight as well as increasing the number of meals one can carry on a hike. A boon for increasing the amount of time one can spend in nature…

@JulioMiles, @rob Do you have a list of countries to which you will initially begin shipping? I'm living in Poland, but my mom will be visiting in May from California; I'm trying to decide how much time/money would be saved in trying to convince her to…

Oats win1 Lower GI and contains some nutritions and fiber.2 cheaper per mass.3 gives a bulk to the intestine.

In most of the recipes there appear to be two major base camps for soylent. Team Oat has the MVP 'Soylent' but both are capable of producing a recipe meets 100%+ of nutritional requirements. I am curious for those that chose one vs the other what the…

Nope, if we had a more accurate date we would be stating that, rather than mid-2014.

Is there any timeframe for when it will become available for international shipping? You know, besides mid-2014?

im interrested, how much would you be charging ontop of the original price? and will you link it? also, I assume you don't have the soylent yet? so you will ship when you have it? Edit: ahh I gotcha, I will perhaps order a batch from you within the…

If you live outside of the U.S and would like the opportunity to try soylent sooner rather than later, I will be selling some of my pre-orders on Ebay - shipping world wide.

There is one question about the ingredients list i have:Is it just me, or is Vitamin B2 (as riboflavin) twice on the list?Once at position 12 of the 'Vitamin and Mineral Blend' and a second time at the very end... Were they unsure about the amount and…

I hope that in the future, or hopefully even this year, you could literally calculate your exact carbon footprint from soylent much easier. I'd love to see the full cycle, from ingredient being created/grown whatever, 'til it ends up in my soylent. I'd…

+1 My friend is also doing a trip for a few weeks to a developing country and has major food allergies. I let her know about this option and she loves the fact that she won't have to worry about, or pack food that can spoil or be difficult. jeffrey…

i have basically been using the "revised" one unsynchronized said: modified recipe http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/countdown-revised although for the last few days i replaced oat bran with rolled oats, which is not ideal. i have been trying blending…

Just wondering if you have any more updates?Which one of your countdown recipes are you using?Cheers

Actually, I think that the medical idea is a great way to subtly seed soylent to the public via paid medical testing. People volunteer/are paid to receive certain prototype treatments, and part of the regimen is a supply of soylent for them to consume,…

I thought of this early on, and I'm glad that others are bringing up the issue of which forms of vitamins and minerals are being included in Soylent. Since it is meant to be used as a dietary staple, it becomes much more important to ensure that the…

great ideas so far. Removing food as variable when medically testing is one amazing idea. Food could have effect on medicine, enough to throw some results off.

That is why I think military is completely impractical and immoral. Unfortunately, I doubt countries like North Korea care, and they are likely to use it for its advantages there. It is a possibility, but an unbelievably cruel one. Also, in the event…

My roommate and I plan on taking Soylent exclusively on a two week backpacking trip we are planning for this summer. Just another possibility to think about.

For those saying military use, have you been in the military? I can't imagine you'd be recommending Soylent if you were. One of the toughest aspects is the missing of home, family, and things that remind you that civilization is waiting back there and…

Maybe in the event of a draft or in less hospitable countries, but it isn't all that likely in a volunteer army. People can get dehumanized in situations like war very easily, and to put it simply, you don't want a guy with a gun to forget he is human.…

I did know that some of these would be kinda, okay really, farfetched. The prison one and the school one would obviously be set in a future where Soylent was common. If such a thing were to happen, it would probably be an option on the menu before ever…

I can't take credit; my cousin actually thought of this: military. A major weak point in any military operation is the supply line. Keeping the soldiers fed would be easier if their food was extremely compact and nutrient-dense.

I'm not sure you are considering the more social aspects of your ideas, so I wanted to make sure. It's one thing to opt into Soylent, another to offer it, and another thing to offer it exclusively to the point of forcing it. I realize you are talking…

My favourite potential use is the Science one you mention. I would like to see some actual nutrition research carried out. This wouldn't necessarily be with our official Soylent. I imagine it as more of science DIY where various things can be tested.…

I think having a thread for some of the possible uses for Soylent to solve issues might be, at very least, a fun exercise, and might even help Soylent expand beyond its little black and white world of either basic consumers like us, or the ambiguous and,…

Up.Any position on that?Thanks.

Hi all! Arthur from Frankfurt am Main would love to order or get Soylent anyhow from amywhere. Looking for people around to communicate about the topic and getting it done: nepasaran AT gmail, looking forward to reading from Gleichgesinnten =) Grüße!

I have tried all of the above. I live in the UK and always go back to getting my products from 'Intellimeds.co.uk' as my order usually arrives the next day after ordering. They are a pretty polite bunch, always willing to help and the more you buy the…

rob said: In this case we know the relative bioavailabilities of RRR-alpha-tocopherol and dl-alpha-tocopherol and can say with confidence that the synthetic form effectively meets the DV at the levels used. This isn't about comparing magnesium glycinate…

In this case we know the relative bioavailabilities of RRR-alpha-tocopherol and dl-alpha-tocopherol and can say with confidence that the synthetic form effectively meets the DV at the levels used. In the case of vitamins you are right, synthetic vs natural…

rob said: As an aside, assuming nature is safe and synthetic substances are dangerous is an example of the appeal to nature fallacy. This is something different. You really can't say that this an example of the appeal to nature fallacy. This is about…

I really hope that with future versions of Soylent, there is still a version of the product that has everything mixed in. The more people nitpick the various ingredients, the more the rest of us will have to pay for the product due to the increased costs…

Probably should have mentioned in that post that I had also forwarded this thread to rob.

rob said: As an aside, assuming nature is safe and synthetic substances are dangerous is an example of the appeal to nature fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature. One could argue that our bodies have evolved over thousands of years…

JulioMiles said: I can only hope that in the end, this is the biggest issue you have with Soylent. I completely agree. JulioMiles said:

The IU measurement standardized by the IOM and USDA accounts for the differing bioavailabilities of RRR-alpha-tocopherol and dl-alpha-tocopherol. DV of vitamin E is measured in IU, not mg, so even though the natural isomer RRR-alpha-tocopherol does indeed…

Really, Juliomiles? Of all the relevant Soylent questions in this thread you take the time to respond to one about graphic design? @rob how about having someone actually read and respond to what's been brought up here? I mean this isn't a new kind of…

That does help with my concerns somewhat. I'm glad you have done a lot to ensure quality of your end product.It seems you feel RFI can be trusted to find good sources of ingredients. Unfortunately too many scandals have come out of China with regards…

jrowe47 said: Now's not the time to slack off! I can only hope that in the end, this is the biggest issue you have with Soylent. jrowe47 said:

We detailed the battery of tests that RFI undertakes here: http://blog.soylent.me/post/55540041339/soylent-manufacturer-update RFI has a 30-year track record of sourcing and producing high quality ingredients, and has long-term relationships with their…

Thank you very much for the information and transparency. I understand the need for business secrets.I'm very disappointed, however, to hear that there are Chinese ingredients. Given the abysmal history of quality control, corruption, unsustainable sources…

EveB said: Often the actual source of ingredients (for all food products not just Soylent) is proprietary because of business contracts. The Soylent Team and/or RFI may give some of this out (at least to the country of origin level), but they don't…

This is the exact kind of evidence we like around here. My sincere congratulations on the effort and thanks for brining this up.

Mine itemizes the amino acids. I think this could be different from product to product, though.(g/100g)Alanine 4.1Arginine 7.6Aspartic Acid 11.6Cystine 1.3Glutamic Acid 19.6Glycine 4.1Histidine 2.7Isoleucine 4.5Leucin 7.7Lysine 6.1Methionine…

Thanks for confirming. Unless I am just blindly missing it, it is not on my label.

I get the same. My source is the label on the package.

it's not worth spilling your beans before you have given it a test

I expect they may well change it in a future version, but don't care either way myself. I have a two month supply coming, and have no intention of changing or canceling my order based on the ingredients as they stand. I haven't yet decided if I will…

I have found the amount of SAA in soy protein isolate to be at 2.6g per 100g of protein. That is from 1.3g each of methionine and cysteine. I had a hard time finding a source for the info, but finally took it from here: http://books.google.com/books?id=DfbBMgVpsugC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=Methionine+cysteine+soy+protein&source=bl&ots=wLSza2e4jr&sig=f2bdo2r9eiz__yLU0f1Pn5fxXB8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rxLrUrn_A8K2yAG42IF4&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBw…

I am so disappointed to learn that Soylent has sucralose. Unfortunate and unnecessary.

Expensive is one thing (I'll see once I have the actual price) but if I understand well it's most importantly hard to find, which is what worries me. If they could give us a provider it would be awesome. That or alternative oil options that would be readily…

Bman007 said: According to Psychology Today, only 0.8% of the population is vegan. But 3.2% are vegetarian, and around 10% follow a vegetarian diet when they can. Additionally, 2.8% of the population is allergic to fish. So that's around 12-13% of…

That is slightly concerning since my initial DIY mix had too much magnesium and the end result was not desirable. I was anxious to try Soylent, and now I am more anxious than ever for completely different reasons.

If Rosa Labs went to lengths to obtain a vegan vitamin blend - in order to accommodate a small percentage of people who are vegan.. why not accommodate those who prefer not to eat artificial sweeteners? In both cases it's a personal preference, for perhaps…

I totally agree on the D2 vs. D3, and the citations are numerous. This may be the final straw for me. It sounds like a nod to the Vegans. But it's just not the best form of Vitamin D, and D is extremely important. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/589256_4

gannas said: Didn't they say they had to reduce the amount of oat flour during the final bench sample tweak? This may have lowered the level of Magnesium, forcing them to add it separately. Yes, but magnesium oxide has a very poor bioavailability (fractional…

Didn't they say they had to reduce the amount of oat flour during the final bench sample tweak? This may have lowered the level of Magnesium, forcing them to add it separately.

I'm not happy at all that Sucralose is being added to Soylent. We were told initially that Soylent would contain everything we needed and nothing we didn't. I would much prefer to add my own sweetener to this product should I decided to do so. I would…

Kasper said: And why in earth would you use magnesium oxide? In the 12/12 micro post, Magnesium (400mg) from Oat Flour - Magnesium has also been found in all forms of life due to its crucial interactions with phosphate. Over 300 enzymes require Magnesium,…

anonynamja said: Also, B12 is missing from the ingredients list. It is indeed. Also, why in the world would they post an image of the ingredients list that was too hard to read, forcing people to download the pdf, which is a pain in the ass. Take a…

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Don't worry, it's only a laxative if you want to supplement more than 400mg. I was able to push it to 600mg by having it spread evenly throughout the day in my soylent. The low bioavailability shouldn't matter if you do that much anyway. Edit: Oxide…

crap, I orderd mag citrate without thinking this through, did I just order laxative?

i think your only option with Vegan omega 3 is algae based omega 3 containing EPA DHA. witch is kind of expensive compared to fish based omega 3

(Deleted post above is because I accidentally replied to Sintax rather than the entire topic.) Kyaaaah, 33 %. But then we're only gonna get 99 % for three meals. Scandalous! Kidding. More seriously, I want to ask, will you provide official instructions…

It probably means % of 300mg, maybe 200. Limit cholesterol intake to less than 300 mg per day, for most people. I do the same thing to keep track of fructose, cholesterol, and saturated fat. With the understanding that the goal is to keep the % low.

Also, B12 is missing from the ingredients list.

I'd say tag @JulioMiles in to this thread, and he can probably provide/obtain whatever regional info is available within public domain.

Now that is citation that works for me. Thank you very much for posting this. I'd be interested to hear what @rob and @JulioMiles thoughts are here. Obviously they won't be able to change the current production, but maybe consider it going forward. They…

In the context of the label, what does the daily value represent then?

ther is no RDA for cholesterol, your body makes it's own in the amount you need.

What does the RDA for cholesterol mean? Is it LDL or HDL or both? Is it an upper limit or a target?

I really feel like, if you are genuinely worried about it, this question would be better answered by the RFI people. They're the ones who deal with the suppliers, and I don't believe their people read these forums. Here is an email for their customer…

Humor aside, with the large number of news stories about tainted food products from china, it is a valid concern to me and it should be for you. If they really want to keep their suppliers a secret, I'd be satisfied with a statement that none of their…

Beside we already know where: Soylent is people. Version 1.0 apparently is Chinese people but I believe their nutritional value is similar to that of any human. I have heard taste may vary depending on region where they are raised.

You may be curious but certainly not entitled to know suppliers. I am sure you don't contact any of your currently prepared food bought who their suppliers are. Dear Muscle Milk (insert food manufacturer), Please provide a list of your suppliers and…

Personally, I'm not particularly concerned who their suppliers are. They're running contaminant testing (toxins, metals, biological, etc) on the individual sources, and randomly on the finished product. It'd be neat to know the suppliers, but in my…

Often the actual source of ingredients (for all food products not just Soylent) is proprietary because of business contracts. The Soylent Team and/or RFI may give some of this out (at least to the country of origin level), but they don't have to. As…

Yes they have answered a lot of questions. This is good. I have concerns, I'd like them addressed and I'm sure others would like to have this info for peace of mind.As for being entitled to answers, as customers, yes, we are. If they don't choose to give…

I think it's pretty cool that they've given us a forum to ask for things at all, personally. We aren't actually entitled to answers, although a lot of people seem to forget that. The Soylent team goes above and beyond by keeping an eye on this forum and…

I don't think a simple list of ingredient/supplier is too much to ask for.

Has that been a secret? I've seen RFI listed as their supplier a lot. Like, enough times that I just opened a random thread because I couldn't remember the exact name of the company, and found it immediately. http://www.rfiingredients.com Maybe you're…

I've gotta say, with the nutrition facts out this whole crazy thing is finally starting to seem real. I look forward to being done DIYing.

Given the constant horror stories of adulterations, tainted products, and irresponsible production practices from Chinese foodstuffs manufacturers, can we get a list of sources for each ingredient in Soylent? This article http://qz.com/171454 highlights…

I think it's to prevent mold, but I may be wrong. It might also be because of the dramatically different shelf lives of the ingredients. Flour is generally good for 6-8 months, while fish oil is only good for around 3 in optimum conditions. I wonder…

Very exciting! Small questions though, and I'm sure I've missed the answers earlier. But... Why is the oil separate? Is it just for the vegan concern? I've noticed that DIYers tend not to add the oil to their powder either. Am I missing something? Because…

there are 3 servings in the bag