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Today I did my first batch, and I used flavorless Whey and flavorless Maltodextrin with Grapeseed and Olive Oil and crushed flaxseeds. I used not too much water - I like the creamy texture, it was milkshake-like. Tasted... interesting. Not bad, but not…

What have people been experiencing as far as the effects an all soylent diet has had on their mood, and overall psychology? One of the main reasons I became interested in soylent is that I have trouble with depression and anxiety, and was hoping that…

I'm a huge fan of cooks illustrated! Though I haven't cooked in a long time I love their scientific approach. Good point on the vanillin. I started with vanillin and lately moved to ethyl vanillin which is more potent. Combined with the creaminess of…

Thank you for these references!Maybe you have other advices for people with no knowledge about biology/nutrition like me?

I'd just hate to buy a minimum of 9 days' worth of a flavored protein, then find that I hate how it tastes. My source for maltodextrin sells packets that are basically one days worth (8oz, ~ 226g. if I add more I might try a slower carb to add, like that…

I don't know if you can find that, but if it helps, I'm gonna use plain maltodextrin and strawberry whey (by Optimum Nutrition).

Wow, where do you find strawberry maltodextrin?

From my personal experience, I need to chug about 1- 1.2 liters of volume over ~ 5-20 minutes to feel totally full. Since my soylent mixture results in only about 500mL per "meal", I drink down the 500mL of Soylent, then immediately drink ~ 500mL of…

I think there should be a DIY category to separate official Soylent discussion from the DIY discussion.

What do you think of Potassium Citrate instead of or combined with Potassium Gluconate as a possible source of K? Seems like you might need less, but I don't know what either tastes like. Anyway, the mix of Na (2.4g) + P (1g) + K (4g) + Cl (3.4g) could…

There are algae based DHA sources, quite expensive of course. 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docosahexaenoic_acid#The_discovery_of_algae-based_DHA'

Yeah, I am using sea salt, and I found out that it wasn't the salt that was the problem. It was the olive oil that was causing the taste problem for me. Currently I am experimenting with using lecithin as an emulsifier.

You could also try sea salt instead of regular salt, its basically same nutrition minus no added iodine and tastes better.

A 60% Pea protein, 40% Hemp protein mixture should effectively give the same benefits as Soy protein from what my research has shown. More info here: http://discourse.soylent.me/t/lazy-vegan-amazon-sourcing-with-no-micro-measuring/498/10

I'm curious about soy-free since some people (like my wife) have allergic reactions to it. The Lecitin emulsifier piece is the only part that I can see that would be from soy. Is there a emulsifier replacement that would be soy-free?

Ben is absolutely right, you should of course take a cautious look at the substances and their amounts in multis. The ones I use are quite overdosed, but I take them for months now and I ate full meals in this time too (B12 is 1000mcg for example),…

I absolutely hate the taste of soy milk

You can actually go wrong with that too - be careful to check what amounts are in your multivits, as some companies put WAY too much of some things into them. I don't have a specific example for multivits right now, but most B12 tablets for example are…

As far as I know, magnesium, iron, calcium and potassium are ingredients you should be careful with. I first thought I couldn't possibly make my own soylent, but like some others I helped myself with a once daily multivitamin - it's measured by the industry,…

Well, don't be afraid of a megadose of Vitamin C: you are already getting it if you are a (any)berry lover, or if you eat anything else during the day after drinking a glass of OJ. Besides, ascorbic acid has such a ridiculously high LD50 that the average…

Has anyone tried Potassium Citrate? My formula has some KCl in, but only to get my required amount of Cl, since I'm getting Na from other places and I have heart issues so I want to keep Na at exactly the right amount. The only issue I've seen investigating…

(and a retail package would consist of 7 daily powder mix containers)with the appropriate quantity of water in a pitcher, stir/shake welland bon appetit. Do you mean you also buy water and a pitcher with soylent?I think it would be better to not have…

I use 8.4 grams of KCl and the taste, while noticeable, doesn't bother me. Some people I know couldn't even handle less than that, so I think it depends on the person. I like my particular mix of Soylent right now, as it tastes a lot like soy milk.

One more general "taste" tip. If you decide to use additional salt try "sea salt". The mouth feel is softer and it does not have the harsh bite that table salts have. Their are many kinds. Cheap to pricy. Just get the basic and see.

Thanks! I find grape seed oil a VERY nice alternative to Olive oil in general. Im tired of the OO taste in things non Italian. Give it a try.

About the strawberry...good to hear, as I'm planning to use strawberry whey \o/

My experience: I'm now dissolving it in 1L and drinking 200ml 5 times a day. I'm not dissolving it all in the morning though. Since I'm eating fat apart (almonds, like rob suggested), I carry it in powder form and add some spoons of it and some water…

I was wondering about this because I'm usually pretty picky on taste. What would be a good source for cocoa? Is it as simple as buying Hershey's cocoa for baking? http://www.thehersheycompany.com/brands/hersheys-cocoa/natural-unsweetened.aspx Doesn't…

http://www.convertunits.com/molarmass/Potassium+Chloride         118g K / 0.52445 K/KCl 0.47555 Cl/KCl = 107g Cl118g elemental potassium / 0.52445 0.47555 = 107g elemental chlorine Tomorrow will be my first day using potassium chloride…

Hey Chris, where did you get the numbers for Chloride in NOW Brand's Potassium Chloride and their Gluconate? It only mentions Potassium on the Nutrition label.

On the salt issue: One way you can still use whatever micronutrients you need without affecting the taste is to buy empty gelatin capsules and make yourself a "salt" pill. I think a little salt in the drink still tastes fine, but the full amount may…

Has anyone tried mixing Soylent with other foods? What foods complement Soylent? What about spices?

Rob, to speak to your frustrations: I agree - just reading about the different nootropic options and people's experiences with them is enough to frustrate you. Very little science behind the anecdotes. Occasionally, you find a few blog entries by…

My daily stack for over 9+ months now: 1200mg piracetam (morning / afternoon) 500mg choline bitartrate / 250mg choline bitartrate (morning / afternoon) ~100mg caffeine 3mg melatonin (2-4 hours before bed) Why: I am a nervous, anxious, constantly…

Update: I've been using 3 g potassium chloride and 1 g sodium chloride (per day), and the taste is fine, with the other ingredients I'm using at least. I'm still low on potassium, and plan to add some potassium gluconate for that. I think 4 g potassium…

soy protein has everything that whey protein has. the reason that whey is cheaper is that dairy farming is heavily subsidised. as to omega 3, linseed oil is an excellent source of omega 3. as always, on a vegan diet, think about your vitamin B12 levels!…

I need to try 3L and add more soluble fiber and see if that works out for me, 4L isn't very convenient as it's maximum capacity for my containers for the most part. I just seem to consume it way too quickly without the extra water. Hmm that may have been…

It's interesting to read how different people use different quantities of water in their soylent. 4L was a bit too much for me, although if I was more active it would be about right. I started with 2L of mix and drank about 400ml at a time. I tried various…

Where do you pick these up? I've seen the name brand ones around, but then seem grossly overpriced.

Keep the fats (as long as they're the good fats). They are not connected to weight gain, and serve important hormone like functions. They are also one of the primary factors in feeling sated. Fats are blamed for weight gain because of the high caloric…

This is interesting. Does this mean you only dilute your Soylent to somewhat over 2 liters total volume, and you only "eat" twice a day? Seems slightly unusual so perhaps I misread. I dilute my mixture to a gallon (or approximately 4 liters) and drink…

I don't do it every day mostly because it's a little psychologically tiring to be extremely focused for a time, and if I have work to do that isn't very mentally stimulating, like answering a bunch of emails, I get bored.

Sweet! You're the man Rob. :]

Soylent is vegetarian, but not vegan. I will be providing a vegan version separately because it is more expensive. People have told me they are willing to pay a little more for a vegan version but I'd still like to offer one using whey that is as cheap…

There's hemp and flax oil. It's unclear if they have the same benefits of fish oil (and it's unclear what benefits fish oil even has, honestly), but they do in fact have omega-3 fatty acids of various kinds in them.

I just got some phenylpiracetam in the mail today. Tried a 300mg dose, seems to incur a definite increase in focus. Will probably make it an occasional addition to my soylent (with choline of course).

@rob you mention nootropic "days"... Is there a reason some days you don't take it? If taken in successive days, does it lose its effectiveness?

Great post. I use vanillin for flavoring with great results. Also, Honey works great to sweeten it up if it's too bitter. Just adjust on the carbs if you are concerned about that. I welcome the extra calories.

+1 recommendation for nusi.org!

I've copied some of the posted spreadsheets into the publicly editable one, including my own. I think this might be a good way for people to see many different ways of viewing the same information (and variations on the information). I've been doing…

Absolutely. I'm using a Blender Bottle, which isn't as good as a blender, but lets you shake it pretty vigorously without spilling.

So I've crossed this list with my own personal list, as well as the lists from alexkirkp, unordinare, dovaka, and karlimcbryde.

While I'm happy about any knowledge being passed on, I would be a bit concerned about the document being publicly editable. Some people might base their complete nutrition on such a document - and anyone could edit potentially dangerous doses of some…

Having a well-blended mixture helps. When I first started, I was using blender from the 70's; when I replaced it with a modern blender, results got better.

You're exactly right. I think it may be due to Ghrelin, the hunger hormone that plays a significant role in neurotrophy. en.wikipedia.org Ghrelin 1P7X Ghrelin( pr. GREL-in), the "hunger hormone", is a peptide produced by ghrelin cells…

It is important to remember, also, that we have been conditioned to panic the second our stomach is empty. This will pass. Having an empty stomach, when you are used to it, brings mental and physical sharpness.

(various)Racetam's- 300mg one time or twice in a day.L-TheanineCholine 200-300mgvinpocetine 10 mgDMAE - 300mglots of fish oil. I play with a lot of different things but I have found that ideal on the reg, anyone on here ever try the bullet proof coffee?…

Actually acute reduction of hunger is more due to Cholecystokinin (CCK) than Leptin. CCK is released as a response to macronutrients in the small intestine. How physically 'full' your stomach is has an impact as well. I found the best way to feel full,…

I like 200mg Pramiracetam 250mg additional Choline (choline is essential and part of the regular mix) 200mg L-Theanine 50g additional carbohydrates I find the Theanine tastes unpleasant so often take that separately. Without the Theanine it's a little…

Use this category to discuss cognitive effects including mood, focus, sleep and memory from substances like soylent, and nootropics. I recommend www.quantified-mind.com for objectivity.

Has anyone tried using pure amino acids instead of protein powder? Whey protein makes it hard to ascertain the source of the milk, so you are likely getting something made from cows that where given a lot of antibiotics and artificial growth hormones,…

We have not gone to a complete meal replacement program as of yet. We have been looking for one that we could stand drinking and had enough of a base that we would add in things like flax seeds or other natural sources that would produce the levels that…

Thanks! Oh, and I'd love to hear from anyone else who cooks for a living, cooks a lot for fun, or is otherwise some kind of foodie on their experience with (or thoughts about) soylent more broadly. Including any skeptical lurkers... Personally, I think…

You might find the taste thread I just started helpful: http://discourse.soylent.me/discourse/t/taste-flavorings-thread/317

Out of maltodex, using potato starch...how's that for an alternative? xDIt's not hard to drink at all, but requires constant mxing or the starch starts to collect on the bottom of the container. Although corn and potato starch are close in the nutritional…

I'm not a chemist/engineer/tinkerer, so the idea of trying to mix this myself is a little scary. Until soylent is market ready, I've been looking for alternatives ...shakes, powders, formulas ... but, I'm trying to avoid things that either have sugar,…

Hi all,I've been DIYing soylent for a few weeks, and here are my thoughts so far on making it taste good. It's all about the macros This is the single most important thing. By mass, soylent is mostly water, protein, carbs, and oil. Yes, yes, your micronutrient…

Fantastic reply, thank you, for some reason I was having trouble finding the TUL for chlorine. It looks like potassium chloride isn't going to work for me because of this... or perhaps I will combine it with some potassium gluconate.

Great description of the taste of the stuff. I use it mostly because it's the cheapest and most readily available. As long as you dilute in enough water, it tastes fine in the soylent, even with vanilla whey. Makes Chocolate flavored mix taste more chocolate-y.…

I just got a container of NOW potassium chloride – as others have said, it contains more potassium by weight than most other sources, which is the main plus. Taste: it does taste kind of like salt, but I'm optimistic that a few grams of it will be fine…

As far as upper limits on chlorine or sodium: If you have any blood or heart condition, to over do sodium, otherwise, you're fine with 140% Na in a day (the tolerable upper limit is about 152%). Chlorine has about the same flexibility, you should avoid…

I'll be posting updates and more information over the coming weeks to our community Google+ site (click here to join) and our soon-to-go-public website.  [jcanuet@gmail.com…

Hmm so I just did the math on NOW Brand's Potassium Chloride where you get far more bang for your buck.118 grams of elemental Potassium per bottle107 grams of elemental Chloride per bottle With salt, monosodium phosphate, and potassium gluconate I get…

The meal replacement shakes I've seen generally aren't as complete, and they generally rely on outdated FDA figures. I doubt you'll find the IOM-reccommended amounts of choline in most of them, for example.

I took interest in soylent for many of the same reasons Rob posted about: eating is a chore to me, food is expensive, takes a long time to prepare. I wasn't eating enough to begin with so a 2052 calorie intake of soylent for me is plenty satiating, as…

I mentioned this in another thread, but when I drink mine, I feel full but not particularly satisfied per se -- that is, I know I don't need to have anything more, but I still crave food. I've been using about 2/3 of the RDA for fats to try to drop some…

en.wikipedia.org Leptin 1AX8 Leptin (from Greek λεπτός leptos, "thin"), the "satiety hormone", is a hormone made by fat cells which regulates the amount of fat stored in the body. It does this by adjusting both the sensation of hunger,…

Like I was saying before, I can't wait for "show and tell".All the thanks to Rob for finally getting this place up and running so we all have a true community to share and learn from.

I am excited for the G+ hangouts and such. Just today with this Discourse launch, I have learned an incredible amount. I think the hangout sessions will be great conversations. Sundays Soylent Scene 1st Hangout!

Thanks a lot. I am messing around with ideas for a memorable emblem of sorts.

I don't know if anyone has experience going to a diet consisting of entirely meal replacements for an extended period of time, but I would be very interested in one particular aspect of the experience and perhaps someone who has would know. What are the…

It is pretty amazing how many people are here. Sure! I hope it is helpful! Let me know if you have any questions about what I did. This site will hopefully become useful for details about each nutrient, but there isn't a whole lot on it yet. http://soylent.wikia.com/wiki/Soylent_Wiki

Link to G+ Btw Nice Graphic

Community supported Google+ group.Cmon, it's actually good for you! Join Now

Do most people find Soylent as filling as the guy who started this? I've only seen one post on the subject, and the person still felt hungry after a glass of soylent.

We are doing research with some of the "complete" meal powders as a base. The ones we have found that we like so far are: Nude Food, a nutrient dense granular "powder" all natural that contains hemp seed and most of what you need. They also make Nu De…

Hi Carvie, as I was working it out, I was under the impression that since the body can handle up to 300x the daily requirement of Idoine there would be no problem, but I wanted to double check. The problem is that your body needs a few grams of potassium,…

So I take it that the 6 bananas I eat per day just ain't cutting it?

Would you please do the math to figure the proper dosage for potassium iodide for those of use who would like to use that form? Thanks

Here's an un-editable one that I've been working on: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApoO17AdqbMAdEtPVHRqazgtUkNGeUN1elVmWFNCWUE&usp=sharing Ignore the first two pages (I'll probably delete them soon). The last four pages lay out the proportions…

Nice! love the colors and beautiful layout. well done!

I like it, i will likely borrow it as a guiide for my own, thanks for sharing ! Just curious, whats the difference between the "Personal" and "Lower Calorie/Sodium" columns, whats your thinking there?

As much as I think most of us would help developing a community website for something we love, it would detract and split users form this site (discourse) which in itself is a community/social website. Creating another website would detract and eventually…

As far as a community website I actually think this is a community website. Discourse, the forum software, is meant to be entirely community run, moderation eventually falls to the users (at some point the developers may even intend it to be automatic).…

Well said @sloan . I dont know much about the google groups other than the singularity hub group i am a part of. i have no idea on how to set one up or the likes. if you wanted to cover that bit. I am excited about the G+ community as the hangout feature…

I don't think that Rob is planning on making a community website. A "community" website, by definition, is a website that is built and operated by the community. And, if WE can do a good enough job, then he doesn't need to worry about it! He can focus…

Goals, monetization, potential web sites. Rob is a software developer remember, that's just the reason why I think he probably already has at least somewhat of an idea what he's going to be doing on this front.

I'll help. I can hardly run my iPhone but I can send research articles or links etc?

What do you mean? Managing what "things?"

Wow @adamwong246 I literally had the exact same name thought of, but I think I kept the "green". I'm sure it's a common thought with this product, but nice hivemind anyhow. EDIT: @Kevin Also, the google "community" is a very nice idea to keep people…